Held Carese II Gore-Tex Jacket
Held Carese GTX jacket (previous model) - very well made jacket!
This is review of Held Carese GTX jacket which is very very similar to new model (Carese 2), so I hope potential buyers find it useful.
I am using it 8 months / cca 3000 km (cca 1850 miles) so far and have driven in temperatures from 0 C till 26 C (32 F till 79 F). Around 40% of the time in light to moderate rain and temperatures below 11 C (52F). Jacket was excellent in all temperatures ranges (I wear thin Primaloft One 100 jacket beneath for warmth) and did not leaked. At 26 C temperature with sun shining, liner removed and vents open it was super comfortable. But vents really add value probably at much warmer temperatures then 26 C, which I did not tested yet. Great fitting jacket, very quality made, I feel very well protected in it.
I was looking for 4 season (adventure) touring jacket which I can wear from slightly below freezing to whatever heat temperature I may encounter. It had to well cover back and be waterproof (I live in central Germany where it rains weekly, if not daily (rain-sun-rain-sun), throughout the year). And it had to be well ventilated for the heat.
I did not bought jacket at Revzilla (since I live in Germany), but thought to give back to community as Revzilla has helped me a lot with great reviews from both Anthony and the readers.
Snug fitting jacket, no flapping in the wind at all. Can be cinched tight worn just over a baselayer without GTX liner, but can also accommodate (tightly) baselayer, midlayer and Primaloft jacket beneath GTX liner. I have long arms and sleeves are a bit on the short side, but a long gauntlet gloves are compensating for a sleeve length and there is no gap.
Among others I have tried Alpinestars Durban, Revit Defender, BMW Streetguard 3, Rukka Cosmic jackets. First two being jackets with removable GTX liner, BMW and Rukka having liners laminated to outer shell (BMW having Schoeller C-Change and Rukka GTX).
Streetguard 3 and Cosmic do not have the same amount of ventilation as the other 3 jackets so they went out of shortlist. Also price played a role and Streetguard 3 is tailored too short for what I want in jacket.
Well made details:
SAS-TEC SC-1/15 XL back protector (sold separately) covers back well. Elbow and shoulder protectors (also SAS-TEC) are at the right places, not moving at all. There is also small pocket for coccyx protector. It is worth to buy immediately both additional SAS-TEC protectors. You can buy both protectors also Held branded. I think Held protectors are the same SAS-TEC protectors (maybe just branded, am not 100% sure).
Mesh vents are much better made then on other jackets I have tried. They are very tightly woven and sturdy, kind of outer mesh jacket material, not just a flimsy inner net. They inspire confidence that even with vents opens jacket still have full protective functionality. Furthermore, it looks as if no bug (wasp, bee or whatever) could get tangled in mesh, neither make contact with a skin even if jacket is worn just over T shirt. Even mosquito could not pass through mesh vents. Arm mesh vents from wrist to shoulder are great and have 2 functions (vent + cuff opening for easy wearing). Also, wrist velcro is not covering the zipper, so once you cinch it the way it fits, you use only zipper for opening the cuff (no need to open and close velcro every time you wear a jacket).
Good double storm flap over main zipper. Velcros are sewn beneath outer material, not over it. Chances that velcros rip off from the jacket are minimal. Magnetic closures on main storm flap are nice touch, however at least bottom one at the hem would be better if it is proper snap.
I was initially suspicions regarding 2 front main “cargo” waterproof pockets as they are just a flap over and do not have a zip. However, items are stored securely and pockets did not leaked in moderate rain so far. Take note pockets are not very spacious. Item of size or a bit larger then i.e. Garmin nuvi with 5” screen can fit in and not much more.
Passport pocket is convenient (not waterproof) and accessible from outside with closed jacket beneath the storm flap. Back pocket can fit several maps in it.
Liner is well attached with a zip throughout and zip in the sleeves. Liner breathability and size wise wearing comfort are excellent. I have tried Alpinestars Durban, Revit Defender and Held Carese liners at room temperature over midweight wool and polartec powerstrech baselayers, just wearing them for some time in house to check breathability and comfort. Durban is GTX Packlight (less breathable) and it started to feel clammy very soon. Defender and Carese liners were very comfortable. No discomfort at all. It proved also later in use.
Carese liner is completely open at cuffs and hem with no possibility to cinch it. Probably manufacturer designed it that way so that a jacket is more breathable. Liner is for my taste too short both in cuffs and in hem (it is shorter then outer jacket). Open cuffs are good design because it is easy to put gloves under, length is compensated with glove gauntlets and cinching done by outer jacket cuffs is sufficient. So cuffs are OK.
However, liner hem length and no possibility to tighten it, is a serious drawback of this jacket (other drawback is outer jacket hem design and tightening system, which allows drafts). I just feel sometimes cold creeping in and cooling lumbar area. When I wear Primaloft or windproof softshel beneath (both outdoor industry products) internal climate is great, as both jackets are long enough in the hem and hem tightening is excellent, preventing any drafts.
Also, liner is a bit too tight and too short in neck area. Held is advertizing new model Carese 2 that liner can be worn over outer jacket. Other then that, differences between Carese and Carese 2 seems minimal. I would advise anyone looking to buy Carese jacket to try Carese 2 model as it may have improved liner design.
During 1300 km (800 miles) tour where daily temperatures were from around 6 C till 26 C (42 F till 79 F) and I was changing from combinations of primaloft+liner+outer jacket to only outer jacket and back to primaloft+liner+outer jacket, I am more convinced that what I was thinking initially that 3 layer GTX (i.e. Pro Shell, where GTX membrane is laminated between outer shell and protective inner layer) is better design then removable liner. At least for tarmac and white road touring.
I am new to motorcycling, but have 17 years of mountaineering and outdoor experience. Rain and wind needs to be stopped at most outer layer. That way most body warmth can be trapped beneath.
I am mostly wearing GTX liner in Carese even in dry weather, mainly for better wind protection and warmth retention. However, there is layer of air between outer cordura jacket and liner, which does not contribute enough to warmth retention, and when outer jacket becomes wet probably does not add value at all. With time and use, once outer jacket will not be so water resistant as new, it will drench in rain, and all air trapped on outer side of liner is useless. Also having removable liner means less space for internal warm layers.
When one wears jacket with removable GTX liner, there is less space between GTX liner available for warm layers versus if the same jacket would have had outer shell water and windproof. Also one carries thick layer of clothes (outer jacket) of not much use for warmth retention, while on 3 layer GTX all space beneath very outer layer is utilized for warmth retention and layering. Not to mention main aspect that even if with time DWR (Durable Water Repellent) of 3 layer GTX jacket get worn out and outer layer drenched with water, that thin bit of material on outer side of GTX membrane is only part which is wet, but complete jacket stays dry, while on removable liner concept one is wearing heavy wet jacket. That is why in serious rain, I wear my 15 years old mountaineering GTX jacket over Carese and Carese stays dry. But that means 3 jackets for the rain (Outer GTX jacket+Carese outer+Carese liner) vs. only one jacket (3 layer GTX).
I am planning to go for 3 layer GTX jacket with good ventilation, i.e. Klim Badlands Pro. Time will tell if there will be a need to keep Carese. Although jacket is so nice that will probably be kept if there will be any aspect where it may complement 3 layer GTX jacket.
Carese is mostly 3 season jacket. You can survive winter and rain, but for that I think 3 layer GTX is the only proper solution. Saying that I think that 3layer GTX is anyhow better design for touring and therefore I do not give 5 stars to item with removable liner, regardless how good jacket is. Removable liners I find as a compromise which has a huge design flaw for riding in changing weather conditions. If you still want to buy a jacket with removable liner, for whatever reason, Carese is one very well made jacket. Recommended.
April 12, 2014